hey, i'm brian stelter live in new york and this is "reliable sources." here's where we examine the story behind the story and figure out what's reliable. this hour we're taking you to hong kong to meet these reporters who feel they've been muzzled. we're going to talk about the state of press freedom there. plus, in the united states, in pennsylvania, seems like a new fox primary is under way. we're looking at dr. oz and his

very close relationship with sean hannity. later, a start-up trying to guard against hope sietzs. they're here to share some news. they will join me for news about newsguard later this hour. first, the never-ending election. neverending elections are so bad for the united states. as president biden hits his one-year mark in office, donald trump hits a wall, repeating his usual lies at a rally in arizona overnight. the rallies themselves are barely news anymore. what's newsworthy, what's interesting, is the way these allies are covered or the way they're ignored. for example, here's what trump said at the very top of the rally saturday night, calling the media the big lie. >> last year we had a rigged election and the proof is all over the place. we have a lot of proof and they know it's proof. they always talk about the big lie. they're the big lie.

but the fake news and the lame-stream media refuse and refuse, they refuse to talk about it. >> so he's actually right about that. major networks and newsrooms mostly do ignore trump's lies. abc morning show, no mention of the rally. nbc, no mention of the rally. even "fox & friends" only mentioned trump a couple of times. fox did not hype the rally in advance, air it live, did not play all of the gratzest hits afterwards. they're busy biden bashing. so fans had to seek out newsmax and oa to get their fix. they treated fans like a super bowl with hours of pregame coverage and live interviews from the sand. and this trump reporter almost nailed it with almost a cult following. >> why does donald trump have

such a strong following, it's almost like a cult following like no other president ever had? >> the truth about cult's following is it's a very narrow place in america. most arizonans were not rushing to the rally. the vast majority of americans don't care enough about politics to spend their saturday night listening to a former president rant and rave. most did not care or give one hoot. but for maga die-hard who want to watch, there are die-hards standing and fighting for a chance. and they fill half the screen in a speech. trump is free content for these channels and he promotes them in turn. one of the channels, one america news, is in trouble this morning. the biggest source of revenue, directv, is dropping the conspiracy channel in a couple of months. directv said this is a routine decision but on the far rietz it's being cast as a conspiracy to banish dissenting voices. the reality is one america news

is there's very little news. they don't have newsrooms around the world. it's mostly a propaganda channel, promoting a conspiracy and the next. but he said he was at the rally with at&t after the show and it's interesting because at&t spun off directv and is in the process of disbanding from cnn. but president trump suggested they should change to at&t. you know, a lot of times the news media, people talk about the size of the crowd and portraying trump strong and powerful, but i think his rallies are becoming a show of w weakness. tells his fans they should drop at&t. will not happen, never has before. certainly a small number do tune into fringe channels if they can find them somewhere, but when

even fox refuses to carry a trump rally at the start of the midterm year, you know something going on, that's not strength, that's a weakness from the current president. now the current president, we will hear from him as biden holds his first formal press conference since nonkvember. i want to get into that with my two political analysts, alyssa and joe lockhart. welcome to you both. alyssa, did you watch the trump rally? >> no, like most americans i was watching the patriots and bills game. i was kind of surprised they would decide to host this big coming back rally for donald trump when the rest of the country is wanting to watch this exciting football game. but to your point, brian, yes, the former president has lost steam in legacy media. but what i would not discredit is how much these srtort of

fringer sites, whether it's steve bannon's war room, oan, newsmax, that people are still tuning in and we are going to regret it if we think he's not coming back and we don't prepare accordingly and we don't cover these incredible, terrifying lies he was spouting last night. those do warrant getting coverage because it shows you what he's planning to do in the months ahead, the year ahead. he's still stoking the lies about the election being stolen. to some degree it does warrant news media coverage. >> my brain gets a little jammed when i hear former white house communications boss say he was delivering terrifying lies to the crowd. we're only a year outz of of th presidency and it sounds like you're fully disturbed by the prospect of a trump 2024. >> absolutely, and i have been outspoken about this. he resigned his right to ever serve as president again after january 6th. and lying to the public about the fundamentals of our democracy and the fact we had a

legitimate election and joe biden legitimately won is beyond destructive to the future of this country. republicans, my party cannot dismiss that. they cannot discredit it. he's going to continue to stoke these lies and it will be our undoing if we're not paying attention and taking him very seriously when he talks about, you know, wanting to stack state officials so that in the future, electors are going to go for him. he's doing this all over the country. we need to be paying attention to it. >> joe, what do you make of what alyssa said about the balance of how much attention is paid at these rallies or not? >> i think the rallies and donald trump needs to be paid attention to because he still has a stranglehold on the republican party. these things around the country are undermining our democracy in plain sight, right in front of us. they don't get the attention they deserve because people kind of dismiss them. they should not be dismissed. this is our democracy we're talking about. and i will say this about the

lies, the trump party, presidency lied from the beginning from the first day and it's a hard habit to break. alyssa herself friday tweeted joe biden didn't need or do an education program on vaccinations, he went right fto mandates. that's absolutely not true. joe biden did more promoting vaccinations in the first six months of his presidency than anything else. >> all right, joe, let's let alyssa respond. >> hey, listen, brian, you got me and joe to agree on the first part of that. i followed up with that and had a great conversation with ron klain. it was not fair to a biden did nothing on vaccinations. that is certainly not the case. i encurrent the biden administration to parter in with republican governors. if you had joe biden and ron desantis do an ad saying you can trust this vaccine, it is safe, that would go so much further

than mandates we knew would get knocked down at the state level. i will just say that quick. brian, i mention as well an interesting juxtaposition in the republican party last night was the swearing in of governor youngkin in virginia. this is a man who came in, made some smart education reforms immediately. he honored martin luther king, he did a day of service and then he met with state leaders in the community. that's what my party could be, and the split screen of donald trump spouting conspiracy theories and lies and hosting fringe figures in arizona. it's a time for choosing, and the time for choosing should have been sooner but we've got better options out there, youngkin being one of them. i'm just stunned after all of this there's still such a following and such a stranglehold by donald trump. >> when directv is dropping one america news and fox is ig ignoring. >> translator: trump's rallies, something is going on but it will be a while before we know. i would like to know about b

biden's one-year mark. how do you think the press is doing on the one-year mark? >> first off, the press is failing. there ought to be truth in the white house and we didn't get that, we didn't get that at all. we returned kind of to the snarky interviews we had with president trump and to a certain respect president obama. and i will give you examples. from the very first briefing the trump spokesmen lied, every day, every briefing. and jen psaki is now in there telling us the truth, telling us what's going on in the government, what people need to hear and they're rarely on live television. so that tells me this is more about entertainment than it is about news. it is more about getting viewers than letting people know what's going on in the country. and that's a failure as far as i'm concerned. s. >> interesting. press briefings every day, press

conferences very irregularly. let's look at the past, the few presidents will show compared to biden. biden's been holding formal press conferences less often, there's the data. however, he does hold informal q&as quite often, more than past presidents, where he answers a few questions from the press corps after the event. that's the data. we have a formal press conference coming up this week, it's been announced almost a week ahead of time. what do you make of that strategy, alyssa? >> it kind of goes against my pr-101. you just don't know what the news cycle will be so to announce it this far in advance builds expectation. butz any time the president is talking to the american people and the press is a good thing. biden's challenge is this, his press secretary does speak to the press daily. that is a good thing. but they're very confusing and conflicting guidances going out around covid. he needs to be answering the questions more regularly. if you can make sense of the cdc's guidances on quarantine, i would love to hear the answer. i know most americans who do

take covid very seriously are genuinely unclear on some of the policies around it. i think that will be a big focus of it. i hope he's able to provide clarity. i will say this too, i would disagree with joe. i think biden was very divisive this past week. listen, there's no comparison to donald trump, that's not what i'm suggesting. but he's a man who ran on unity and being the president to all americans and you cannot outright dismiss 50% of the country. so i hope he takes a softer tone in how he talks about working with the senate and trying to get republicans on board with his agenda. >> alyssa and joe, thank you both very much. coming up -- is sean hannity trying to win dr. oz a senate seat? sure looks like it. and abc's complete and utter distortion of the cdc director. what went wrong here? we have answers next. 't you just ride the wave? (judith) no - we actively manage client portfolios based on our forward-looking views of the market. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate

high commissions, right? (judith) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money? only when your clients make more money? (judith) yep, we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments we're clearly different. dove 0% is different. we left aluminum out and put 48 hour freshness and 1 quarter moisturizers in. dove 0% aluminum deodorant lasting protection that's kinder on skin. my name is douglas. i'm a writer/director and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do, you are surrounded by people who are all younger than you. i had to get help somewhere along the line to stay competitive. i discovered prevagen. i started taking it and after a period of time, my memory improved. it was a game-changer for me.

prevagen. healthier brain. better life. clerk: hello, how can i? sore throat pain? ♪honey lemon♪ try vicks vapocool drops. in honey lemon chill. for fast-acting sore throat relief. wooo vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops. i've got moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪ things are getting clearer ♪ ♪ i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin, yeah, that's all me ♪ ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin, that's my new plan ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ achieve clearer skin with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way ♪ ♪ it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.

tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms... such as fevers, sweats, chills, muscle aches, or coughs... or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. ♪ nothing is everything ♪ talk to your dermatologist about skyrizi. learn how abbvie could help you save.

the idea of a fox primary does not just apply to

presidential campaigns. it's happening right now in the pennsylvania senate race. with the help of his friend sean hannity, dr. mehmet oz has taken advantage of a national platform and in some ways tried to really establish a front-runner status in pennsylvania. whether it's working or not, oz is trying to use fox to win the primary. we counted 12 fox appearances since oz entered the race, seven on hannity's show alone. that's a rate of one every four days since oz announced his candidacy. now let's show you all of the interviews on other major -- there's none. only talking on fox and also newsmax. one of his challengers is doing the same thing, david mccormick entered the race this week and his first interview was maria bartiromo of fox. so oz goes on newsmax and fox again, again and trying to win the primary through right wing outlets. it's a logical strategy but it's interesting to see how he's using televisions after years,

decades, on television now trying to appeal to the fox audience. i find it so hypocritical when he's out there bashing the media on fox when he's been an elite member of the media for decades. many of his closest friendships are with people in the media, and now he has to pretend he hates the press and hates the media. his heart is not there, his heart is in the er. i'm joined by olivia nuzzi. she's out with an incredible profile of dr. oz. she was even on the phone with him, although maybe accidently, and during that conversation, he called her a girl reporter. olivia, great to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> i think we have to start with the phone call you had with oz and his wife. how did that happen last month? what happened? >> well, i was trying to go through the traditional process to reach the candidate and hopefully spend some time with him on the campaign trail in

pennsylvania and that was failing. and so i decided to try to reach out directly and mrs. oz attempted to hang up the phone on me and was not successful and instead kept me on the line, sounded like we were connected to perhaps the bluetooth in a car, kept me on the line about 4 1/2 minutes as they kind of shit-talked me and complained about me and my reporting. >> so will girl reporter be your new identity? >> it's not the most unflattering thing i've been called in the course of my career. so i don't know about that. >> so you're one of the many people who would like to interview oz and he's blowing off everybody except fox and newsmax. what does that tell you about his relationship with hannity because it seems really important. >> it's interesting, it's not an uncommon strategy these days to kind of just talk to the audience your hoping will become your base. and i think candidly from the oz

point of view there's really no upside to participating with the mainstream media, with people in the media who they perceive to be more left leaning. and they're kind of getting away with it. you see other politicians kind of following the same strategy. sarah huckabee and sanders is a good example. she's running for governor in arkansas and only really talking to the right wing press. and it seems like i think the nationalization of everything has sort of allowed this type of strategy to be something politicians can get away with now. i don't know how long that will last. and i think if i were a pennsylvania resident, i certainly would want to be hearing candidates for office talking about issues that matter specifically to me, issues that matter specifically to the state, so maybe it won't work long term but i think early stage in an interpart contest like this, you can see the certain logic of just talking to the right wing base, as oz is attempting to do.

>> right, just play the fox primary. i think the lesson in your profile, and there's always lessons in every profile you right, you got to call directly, try to get them on the phone, try ever cell phone number you have, and you might get through. that's a good reporting 101 reminder. >> yeah, i mean, i think i always try to get the other -- you know, every side of the story and to talk obviously to the person that i'm writing about. and sometimes -- we've seen it happen before with rudy giuliani, with a couple other people in that age bracket, sometimes people, their phone comportment is not great and leads to a mishap like this. but i think what was very interesting about the entire thing, part of what i overheard, was the ozes talking about dr. oz being upset a friend of theirs told me he would be the new leader of the republican party. i had to kind of wonder if you're running for a position of power in the republican party, why would you not want to be

perceived as a potential leader of that party? and it's also very interesting lesson, this is someone, as you said, who's been a celebrity, been a part of the elite media he's now condemning for quite a long time, for two decades at least. and it kind of goes to show just because you're media trained in one area, you're able to succeed in one area, does not mean you can translate that necessarily to another area. and i think this is kind of a lesson in overconfidence and hubris. >> interesting. and meanwhile, he lost his tv show. let's take a look at this week's cable news action while i have, olivia. justin waters and jeanine pirro signed off and said from jesse watters through 7:00, it's all bomb-throwers, he will stay on at 5:00 and one of his new co-host is jeanine pirro, who is leaving her saturday show and

moving to weekdays. jeanine pirro wanted a weekday spot forrers yoo. this is a big promotion for her and like fox news quadrupling down on what it does best, which is right wing body mashing. >> yeah, i don't care about jeanine pirro or jesse watters for that matter. but they obviously think this is a winning strategy to kind of double down on the most extreme people that they have on the air. and i think for everyone who thought maybe fox would pivot in the post-ail, post trump era, this is more evidence they will not be doing that. >> this is certainly true. olivia, thank you so much. >> thank you. we care about you. >> and i care about you. staying on that, up next here, let's move on. did a right wing conspiracy theory about covid internment camp start as a joke, as satire? the unfunny comment is coming

up. plus, we'll go to hong kong for an up-close look at the gutting of the free press there. >> ...and lots of opportunities. >> so, what are you waiting for? >> apply now... >> ...and make a difference. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ >> man, i love that song! nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: try hypnosis... or... quit cold turkey. kidding me?! instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette

wondering what actually goes into your multi-vitamin? at new chapter its innovation organic ingredients and fermentation. fermentation? yes, formulated to help your body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness well done at intra-cellular therapies, we're inspired by our circle. a circle that includes our researchers, driven by our award-winning science, who uncover new medicines to treat mental illness. it includes the compassionate healthcare professionals, the dedicated social workers, and the supportive peer counselors we work with to help improve - and even change - people's lives. moving from mental illness to mental wellness starts in our circle. this is intra-cellular therapies.

new vicks convenience pack. dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. vicks super c is a daily supplement with vitamin c and b vitamins to help energize and replenish. dayquil severe is a max strength daytime, coughing, power through your day, medicine. new from vicks.

when you have xfinity, you have entertainment built in. which is kind of nice. ah, what is happening. binge-watching is in the bag, when you find all your apps, all in one place. find live sports faster just by using your voice...

sports on now. touchdown irish! [cheering] that was awesome. and, the hits won't quit, with peacock premium included at no additional cost. all that entertainment built in. xfinity. a way better way to watch. falsehoods about covid-19 and vaccines are flying from every direction right now. i want to show you what i mean. if you take a step back and think about it, the covid-19 pandemic is a chance for salesmen to sell fear. take the unvaccinated glenn beck, who's been selling his new book while sick with covid. he went on carl tuckerson's show and kind of felt like a ghostwriter had done the book for him. take a listen. >> doctor, this is the most important book i have read -- this is the most book i have

written. >> he says he wrote the book and it's full of proof global elites are conspireing to reshape society and crush the little guy. here's what's amazing, tucker doesn't ask a single question, he just listens while beck says officials are meeting in washington state to set up an internment camp, applying they will be punished for not getting covid vaccines. i'm serious. he said that. >> this is an internment camp. washington state has done it before. they haven't obviously learned their lesson from world war ii. >> so tucker sits there and listens respectively as he implores people to buy his book. sure enough, it's number one on amazon because fear does sell. he calls it amazing and horrifying and said just briefly and gently he heard about the washington state conspiracy and he hasn't been able to verify it but obviously, he will keep looking into it. he hasn't been able to prove an american state is setting up internment camps to

anti-vaxxers. and they pushed this multiple days in the row. kw quarantine campuses for unvaxed residents and faxhood spread with stupidity. wielded by right wing radio hosts, activists and worst of all, right wing candidates running for office. it freaked out so many people the health floor was overwhelmed by protesters. they showed up in person to protest something that wasn't happy. they made comparisons to nazis. they spoke to a guy named ricky when explained the internment camp that didn't exist and said, just google it. there are a lot of videos. while numerous fact-checks is bs, according to this reporter,

it started as satire, as a joke. let's go to washington state, katz star bird, could you founder of an informed public and researches this every day. and we have kate, a misinformation expert. kate, yo kate, you're in washington state. have you seen the internment camp with your own eyes? >> no, i have not seen the internment camps, no. >> what is going on? >> this is something we've seen over and over again. and we know conspiracy theories and rumors are often built off an old building block. this is what we heard before, fema camps and people would be rounded up and put their for any number of reasons. i think people are afraid, they're stirred up to be afraid and these kinds of things can take root and people, cable news and others, are opportunistically amplifying these things to feed their

entertainment -- news/entertainment financial models actually is what's happening there. >> right, sell their books and all of that. i'm getting emails from people whose friends are scared about these lies. they read them and believe them and are scared about them. i think it's important to remember, this is not hypothetical. we're talking about flesh and blood. we're talking about families being ripped aparts based on lies about covid and vaccines. do you ever experience that firsthand, kate? >> absolutely. i know a lot of us us -- actually in the senate where we're working, almost every one of us has a family member we love but who we're struggling with because we don't necessarily share the same views of reality right now. i think it's very difficult and puts a lot of stress on a lot of us. >> i think it's getting a lot worse, for example. i and there's mischaracterizations about justice. justice sotomayor having a falsehood in ray supreme court hearing and fact-checked by numerous outlets.

cdc news, in the way they edited the interview cut out 23 seconds that totally distorted what she was saying and took out the content. and days of distortion from donald trump jr. and others based on abc's bad ed itz. you have it from the right and from the left and from editors who make stupid choices in the editing bay and cause distortions. so the end result is what, caroline? >> the end result is confusion, is fear, and once something gets out there, it's impossible to get it back. i think we're seeing this sort of chaos caused by this constant stream of misinformation and confusion and fear. >> i look at the abc example, and they eventually fixed it online and kind of admitted they made a bad edit but didn't really apologize -- or didn't apologize at all. i'm thinking no one is going to ever see that followup. the damage is already done. the damage was done instantly.

kate, this is related to a concept you study, you use the phrase participatory disinformation, which i think is an interesting phrase. this isn't a one-way misinformation, it's people participating in the misinformation. >> we're seeing misinformation collaboratives, people are creating it and working together in ways that they don't even necessarily know where elites in the media or politics are setting the frames and telling people, you know, to be afraid and to believe things. every day people are creating these rumors and eventually they may get amplified by some of the elites so we see the top down and bottom-up processes and what we're thinking of as participatory disinformation. >> bring the big lie and covid. let's go back to the show here, donald trump's rally last night, caroline. you were watching it last night and horrified, you posted on twitter. what stood out for you about the reality ftz misinformation? >> you know, donald trump was

more defiant and more forward with this disinformation about the election, claiming that he had not really lost the election, and really just doubling down on the lies that have caused so much trouble over the past year, year and a half. and last night i heard him, you know, more forcefully put those lies out there than i've heard since january 6th. i think it's scary and we should be paying attention as a sign of things to come. >> you say we ignore it atz our peril. caroline and kate, thank you both for being here. up next -- one company's mission to address what we're talking about, lies all over the internet. they say they use not artificial intelligence, they use human intelligence. a new kitchen became part of our financial plan. ♪ ♪

find a northwestern mutual advisor at nm.com do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? try nervivenerve relief from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort.

try nervivenerve relief.

clerk: hello, how can i? sore throat pain? ♪honey lemon♪ try vicks vapocool drops. in honey lemon chill. for fast-acting sore throat relief. wooo vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google.

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ are red and green waiting

the way to separate fact from fiction online? that's what a start-up called newsguard is pitching. and today on "reliable sources" they're revealing they reached profitability. they presented themselves as a sustainable solution to all of the problems that fester online. what newsguard does, it has a set of journalistic standards, set of criteria it applies to sites across the world wide web. using a team 40 employees they try to cut through the noise of disinformation and misconception and help advertisers know by letting them know when their ads are running on sites full of nonsense. newsguard conducted a study that advertisers were spending $2.6 billion on ads running on hoax sites, in most cases without the advertisers having any idea at all. some advertisers now support newsguard and so does microsoft. microsoft now pays to license newsguard's tool. will other tech giants follow? newsguard co-ceos join me now.

steven, why did newsguard need to exist? why did you need to launch this company? >> suppose you walk into a library and you see books and magazines arranged by whatever subject they cover. you can pick up the book and read the book jacket and you know who the publisher is who's financing it, you know who the author is, you get a little profile of the author and best of all there's a librarian who can explain to you this book is by an author with these credentials, this book is by a conservative or liberal author. imagine if you walked into the library and the only thing you saw were 2 trillion pieces of paper flying around the air. and you collect one out of the air and look at it and wrote it, you don't know who's financing it or what their credentials or or whether or not it's reliable, that's your internet. that's your facebook feed, twitter feed, that's your google search. so we created newsguard

basically to do what librarians do, which is explain to people something about the reliability and trustworthiness and background of those who are feeding them the news. >> and let people decide if they believe the source. mr. gordon, how do you all do that on a daily basis? is it good giving grades? >> what we did is identified nine basic apolitical criteria in journalistic practice and our analysts applied that now to all of the news and information sources that account for 95% of engagement. that means as people thumb through their facebook feed or twitter feed or look at a search or result, if it's from a news or information source, it will come with a green or red icon and quite detailed nutrition label explaining the trustworthiness of this site. it's really designed to give people the tools they need to be able to determine is this something that i should trust generally or is this misinformation or hoax site?

it turns out in the u.s., of all of those sites that we rated, all of the sites that account for 95% of engagement, almost 40% of them get a red rating from us. >> that sounds like we're pretty strict. in fact, you have to be really, really bad to get a red. you have to be a website that says if you buy apricot pits, you can cancel your appointment with your oncologist because apricot pits will cure cancer. a lot of sites your show has been critical of nonetheless get a green. they might get a relatively low score green but a green. so what's really shocked us since we all started the company is the proliferation, particularly around health care, of hoax sites that are really in it for the money. they're in it for the ad revenue. >> is that something that predated covid-19 and the pandemic? >> oh, yeah. i mean, we were stunned that there was so many hoax health

care sites well before the pandemic. that's only unaccelerated and obviously there are a lot of sites that are political propaganda too but the good news again about the internet is anybody can be a publisher. the bad news about the internet is that anybody can be a publisher. >> right. let's look at the scores for a couple different websites. here's fox news.com, 6 g9.5 out of 100. so it gets a green grade but you all acknowledge some of the weaknesses. here's rt.com, russia today, russian state-funded news source and it's got like a 12.5 out of 100, big red label, proceed with caution. so, gordon, who makes these decisions? who decides what gets green and red? >> we use h.i., not ai. we use human intelligence, not artificial intelligence. >> human intelligence. >> shocking. >> go figure, we have a staff of

analysts, every label goes through five or six layers of review. steve and i actually line edit every single label before we publish them. so the nine criteria are fully disclosed, entirely transparent. we include feedback from the website if they disagree with our assessment or try to explain the assessment. and interestingly, the other extreme from rt, more than 1,600 websites have done something to improve their practices after engaging with our analysts in order to get a higher score. unlike an ail go width up, we're delighted when publishers game or system. we would love all of the publishers to get a green rating. >> gordon, why don't platforms like twitter or facebook install newsguard and make it part of their platform so people know what they're clicking on? >> we think eventually they will. there's a lot of pressure on them to clean up their act. the europeans, british, australians, canadians are all working on regulations so that

the platforms will have to take some basic duty of care not to harm their users, just like a chemical can company or an oil shipper. and up until now, they've really been immune. so i think they will eventually be forced to give their users some tools to determine the reliability of what's being published on these platforms. >> so that's their pitch, offering their tools to platforms like facebook. to check out the company goes to newsguardtech.com. we're leading up to the most important story of the hour, the arrest, raid and muzzling of the media in hong kong. ivan watson's in depth report is next. which is a lot. so take care of that heart with lipton. because sippin' on unsweetened lipton can help support a healthy heart. lipton. stop chuggin'. start sippin'.

(naj) at fisher investments, our clients know we have their backs. (other money manager) how do your clients know that? (naj) because as a fiduciary, it's our responsibility to always put clients first. (other money manager) so you do it because you have to? (naj) no, we do it because it's the right thing to do. we help clients enjoy a comfortable retirement. (other money manager) sounds like a big responsibility. (naj) one that we don't take lightly. it's why our fees are structured so we do better when our clients do better. fisher investments is clearly different. wondering what actually goes into your multi-vitamin? at new chapter its innovation organic ingredients and fermentation. fermentation? yes, formulated to help your body really truly absorb the natural goodness. new chapter. wellness well done

nicorette knows, quitting smoking is freaking hard. you get advice like: just stop. go for a run. go for 10 runs! run a marathon. instead, start small. with nicorette. which can lead to something big. start stopping with nicorette. hi, my name is cherrie. i'm 76 and i live on the oregon coast. my husband, sam, we've been married 53 years. we love to walk on the beach. i have two daughters and then two granddaughters. i noticed that memories were not there like they were when i was much younger. since taking prevagen,

my memory has gotten better and it's like the puzzle pieces have all been [click] put together. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. new vicks convenience pack. dayquil severe for you... and daily vicks super c for me. vicks super c is a daily supplement with vitamin c and b vitamins to help energize and replenish. dayquil severe is a max strength daytime, coughing, power through your day, medicine. new from vicks. >> vo: my car is my after-work decompression zone. ♪ music ♪ >> vo: so when my windshield broke... i found the experts at safelite autoglass. they have exclusive technology and service i can trust. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

hong kong has long been a vibrant international media hub in asia with press freedoms and thriving independent newsrooms. now it is being gutted. the chinese government, while claiming the press in hong kong remains free is tightening control through police raids, threats and arrests. according to the latest press freedom index, hong kong fell from 18th in 2002 to 80th place now. one of the reporters restrained has a message for the rest of us. >> reporter: this is what it

looks like when the hong kong police knock on the door of a local journalist carrying a search warrant. >> what time did they show up at your door? >> 6:00 a.m. i wake up in my dream -- >> reporter: police take bronson chan in for questioning. that same morning they raid his workplace, the independents online news portal stand news and arrest at least six other people tied to the outlet, accusing them of publishing seditious material. within hours, stand news shuts down for good, and just days later, another independent news site, citizen news, closes preemptively citing the deteriorating media environment. >> today getting the foreign correspondent is quite dangerous honestly. >> reporter: it's dangerous for you to talk to me right now? >> yes. >> reporter: why? >> i'm afraid it will become evidence saying we've become an

arthel for foreign power, but i still think that i have to speak out what happened in hong kong. >> reporter: the hong kong authorities say they're going after criminals, not silencing journalists. >> so these actions are law enforcement actions. these actions have nothing to do with so-called suppression of press freedom or suppression of democracy. >> reporter: the government says it is not targeteding journalists. >> lie. this was a lie. >> reporter: connie who doesn't want her full name published for safety reasons, worked at the tabloid apple daily. it shut down last june after police raided its offices, seized its assets and arrested at least nine executives and staffers on charges of collusion with foreign powers. after a 16-year career as a

journalist in hong kong, connie is unemployed. >> i'm thinking of leaving hong kong. >> why? >> because it is not safe anymore. >> reporter: hong kong used to be the freest corner of modern day china, a former british colony that was supposed to be shared the strict government censorship in mainland china. the city was home to a feisty local press corps. in 2000 supporters shouted questions at then chinese leader zang gentlemen min. >> hong kong was also a very big center for international coverage in the asian region, precisely because it was a place where you didn't need to worry about someone knocking on your door in the early hours of the morning. >> hello, and welcome to the post. >> reporter: for 20 years british journalist steve vines

hosted a show, but packed up and left for this rain-soaked corner of england last year after he watched authorities arrest dozens of opposition activists. >> every day someone was arrested. some organization was forced to close down. somebody else had been fired. it was just relentless. >> reporter: the hong kong authorities insist journalists can still work here. >> is there freedom of the press in hong kong today? >> yes and no. it's difficult in that we feel there is enough for us to continue, but it's certainly put the industry in crisis. >> reporter: tom grundy is editor-in-chief of the hong kong free press. he hopes authorities don't muzzle his reader-funded news site. >> we don't know where the red lines are. the goefl posts keep moving. for the moment we're staying put and pressing on.

>> reporter: the last year has been a bitter less sunday for the heart broken, newly unemployed journalists. >> i trusted for over 27 years. >> i just hope that anyone still have freedom of speech, just, you must hold it tight. >> reporter: ivan watson, cnn hong kong. >> that's what democratic backsliding looks like. it can happen anywhere. we'll be back this time next week with more "reliable sources."

i always dreamed of having kids of my own. ♪ ♪ now i'm ready for someone to call me mom. at northwestern mutual, our version of financial planning helps you live your dreams today. do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? try nervivenerve relief from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervivenerve relief.

at intra-cellular therapies, we're inspired by our circle. a circle that includes our researchers, driven by our award-winning science, who uncover new medicines to treat mental illness. it includes the compassionate healthcare professionals, the dedicated social workers, and the supportive peer counselors we work with to help improve - and even change - people's lives. moving from mental illness to mental wellness starts in our circle. this is intra-cellular therapies. clerk: hello, how can i? sore throat pain? ♪honey lemon♪ try vicks vapocool drops. in honey lemon chill. for fast-acting sore throat relief. wooo vaporize sore throat pain with vicks vapocool drops.

make or break? democrats' election reform appears dead, despite amped-up pressure from president trump. >> do you want to be on the side of dr. king or george wallac